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Rhonda
I'm not sure Nikki Grimes needs
an introduction, but she's a New
York Times bestselling author,
poet, and journalist.
She's written for readers of all ages,
heard distinguished body of work,
includes gardening, choice.
One last word, Bronx masquerade,
an planet, middle school,
and her latest book as well,
the memoir, Ordinary Hazard.
All of these, of course.
Jail G selections.
Ordinary hazards received six starred
reviews, and has both 2020 prints honor.
And twenty $20 Honor Awards.
Nicki's past awards included
the credit Scott King Award,
multiple tsk honors,
the children's literacy legacy award,
the Virginia Hamilton award,
the MVP award for excellence in poetry,
and the EPA, May.
Lovington award for her significant
contribution to the field.
So we're lucky to have both her
books and her presence here today.
So welcome Nikki,
how are you doing?
I'm fine, thank you.
Would you like to introduce us
briefly to organize hazards for
somebody who hasn't read the book yet?
'cause yet everybody should.
Ordinary hazards is a memoir.
In UM, specifically covers uh,
the first Expedia in my life.
And uhm, what more can I say?
The good, the bad, The Ugly.
It's the story of how I
became who I am today.
How did you arrive at the title?
Originally, the title was memory traces.
An I had. I kept that title
in my mind for years. Um?
But then in the when I was working on it.
I'm I'm in the final drafts.
I started thinking about.
How hot it was that something
as ordinary as a closet?
Could represent. So much pain. And.
Just have such power connected to it.
Ordinary thing.
In the closet. Any door key?
Things that everyday things
that we wouldn't think about
having any particular meanings.
And yet They had deep resonance for me.
And so that became the title.
That's brilliant. Hum.
You've written so many different books,
how did you decide that now is
a good time to write a memoir?
Well, first of all,
I've been working on this off
and on for 30, Seven years, no?
Nine years, sorry.
Yes, you're gonna.
Very many permutations.
An I would, I think the first time I
worked on it was a collection of stories.
And then I put it away, forgot about it,
worked on other things that
were deadlines calling to me
so I don't work and other bugs.
And then every now and then a friend
or an agent would say to Maine.
What happened with that memoir like?
Oh yeah. And until back and I
work on another permutation of
it in the second time around,
I worked on the collection
of personal essays.
And then of course deadlines
called me again on work.
That was, you know.
Didn't and I put it away and I.
And I came back to it again.
Uh, but I finally decided
I didn't want to write it.
I didn't want to attempt it.
Until I knew I had a block of
time that I could just focus on
the memoir itself completely and
it took awhile for me to clear
the space to be able to do that.
And by the time I did,
I'd I'd even I'd forgotten
the earlier permutations.
And then I would be working on the
memoir and I come to this particular passage,
in particular memory,
and I think.
Seems really familiar.
Worked on this before and then I go
hunting through my files and I find
that collection of stories and I find
that collection of essays and the last
time around it was a collection of palm
and I found those poems. I'm like ha.
I've been writing this forever.
That was always the plan.
It just took awhile. Right?
So how did you go? What was
different about writing it in
poems versus the other form?
Well, you need to understand
the poetry is my default.
It is my first language
when it comes to literature.
So for me it's never a question of of
whether or not I should write in poetry.
Occasionally I will think
should this be pros? OK.
Do you think you could share a
poem with us? Find the book.
I could it's gonna be a little weird
for me because I gotta re verb here.
But we'll see how it goes.
This is my favorite.
Siri is actually a ponds and
starts with isolation station.
And in captures that moment when
I first discovered the Magic
of writing the Magic of poetry.
The house was full but with strangers
and I was there by myself in the dark
in a tiny pocket of a room with a tiny
bed to sleep in and little space for
the fears I packed in my suitcase.
Which makes no sense,
because why would I bring them with me?
And the night sounds far into the city
girl left me tossing and turning.
There was no more room in my head
to hold the anger rising like steam
searing the edges of my brain.
There was not even a shelf for I
could stack the questions crying
out for answers that wouldn't come.
Why did mom love liquor more than
Carol more than me?
Why did daddy let strangers take us away?
Why did gramma refused?
Why did they love us?
Why didn't anyone?
Why, why, why, why, why, why,
why, why, why, why, why why stop?
Leapt out of bed, switched on the light,
grab the piece of paper and a pen,
stabs the page and left my thoughts.
Gosh, like a geyser shooting high to the
moon pie and falling down on the page.
I had captain till every line was
stayed with my feelings and the
heat of them finally had a chance
to cool and suddenly I could read.
Please and there was once again woman
up in my head and my heart just. Be.
Then I close my eyes. And it was morning.
Secret. I slipped the tears much
page into my dresser drawer.
Those words were strictly for God and me.
Besides this, writing thing
was some kind of magic trick
I didn't yet understand.
Except for this.
Magicians rarely there. It's.
And then finally. Journey.
My life in notebooks began with this.
A poem here. An observation
there are age of red ink.
Each sheet of White Paper Haven.
The Blank Page was the only place I
could make sense of my life or keep
record of each space I called com.
The daily March of words.
For rating from my pen.
Actually moving forward.
Wow.
Ah. How do you have any techniques
were getting back to that time of your
life and you had that experience you?
How do you recall that so powerfully?
Well my younger self is very much
alive in me. And memories are triggered
of course by all sorts of things
which I talk about in the book.
By ascent. Buy a piece of music. Um?
Buy food, something you taste.
All of the senses are involved in memory,
so there triggered by all sorts of things.
I don't have a technique precise.
Um?
Yeah.
So did you, but did you actively say Oh,
I need to eat this food that I ate
at this time of my life or ghost?
Did you go to specific places to
evoke memories or you just travel
through time back to those places?
Well, I traveled in my mind back
to those times. Those moments,
I mean, I already knew the moments.
The essential moments that I wanted
to explore in the story I was
thinking about what memories, uhm?
A particular resonance for.
The line I wanted to follow in the
story I wanted to talk about. Um?
My journey is a writer,
but I also wanted to talk about.
Importance of faith.
Through that journey.
So the memories had to do,
you know with that,
but I also had surprises.
When I was writing about uhm.
I was writing about my father's.
About grieving my father's death,
and I wrote about.
The last gift he gave me,
which was up here by skates.
And How dare they were to me?
And as I thought about it, I was wondering.
Why he bought me those skates?
Because gates and expenses.
And why won't you buy
me brand new ice skates?
I loved ice skating.
I always watched it on television
whenever it was on.
You know I'd stop everything.
In fact.
In fact, when I was working on his passage,
the Olympics were on,
and so I've been watching.
Uh, solar skating and
repairs in the eyes do that.
Those very much sort of alive in
me and I been a spectator forever.
But I couldn't remember
ever having skated myself,
but didn't make sense
to me that he would buy.
You know why these skates?
Right, I mean I never skated dinner.
And then I call my oldest friend.
I said Did we ever go ice skating?
She said, Oh yeah, she started talking
about the Rings we went to and you
know all these fun times we had.
It was like why and over the next 48 hours.
I started to get flashes of memories of
being out on the ice with her and being
on the sideline sipping hot chocolate.
And having her leave me out on the
eyes and spins because she had
Olympic dreams of very good skater.
and I was afraid to walk on the ice at all.
He was just, you know,
spinning me around and all of these
flashes came back in the next 48 hours so
I had experience of of recovered memories.
Now, which was such a gift?
So apparently we don't only lose painful,
traumatic memories, you can lose
positive good memories as well.
When you're writing, how do you decide?
What to reveal and want to hold back?
Did I hold anything back?
You said in your first time
you talk about you're giving
yourself your nickname and that we
won't know your volume. Alright alright.
I'll give you that one, uh.
But I I wrote whatever I thought
was appropriate. Uh, my. Who?
Capture that particular memory
that particular time. Hum.
Yeah.
Did you have an audience in
mind when you are writing,
or were you writing for you?
It's ready for young adults, adults.
Yeah.
I didn't want to have any limits why I
wouldn't have written for younger readers,
'cause I knew when I wrote
my own story I didn't want.
Any limits on what I said or the content?
Or how many dark?
You know what dark things I explored?
I wanted just to be able to.
Well, the story until it true.
With no limits.
'cause I told parts of my story
through fiction over the years.
There bits and pieces of my story
in various books I've written,
there's some in Jasmines notebook
and some in the boat to Paris,
and these are works of fiction,
of course.
And so but not actually me and
some of the stories are certainly.
I'm fixing a hole claw.
But in the process of writing them,
I was frequently asked by an
editor to pull back on something
on certain things are pretty
felt they would be with you.
Difficult for the readership,
or you know too hard or dark or whatever.
And I always was frustrated by that,
so that when I write my memoir,
it's going to be no holds barred.
How has it impacted you that use now shared?
These difficult parts of your life.
How do you talk to people that you
knew from that from those time?
I I did hear from an old friend that
I had written about in the memoir
actually had a poem dedicated to
her and she she showed up one day
on Facebook connected with Maine.
And I know my God, this is so great,
you know, I wrote about you,
my memoirs no an, uh, an eye and I
grabbed the book and I read the poem to her.
It was such a great moment.
Wow, yeah, and of course I've been
in touch with my best friend.
I made sure she saw the book before it
went out 'cause I didn't want her to be
on top of with anything that I shared. Um?
So yeah, I'm coming to a couple of people,
but it's been phenomenal.
Uhm, the fact that people with very
different life experiences of have
found deep deep resonance with my story.
But that makes sense,
because that's what a good story does.
It takes us back to ourselves.
Back to our own stories.
That's what a story should do.
Imagine in the historically
speaking section of your website
that you had a strong connection
to one of your childhood teachers.
Can you talk a little bit
about the importance of having
a mentor to help you, right?
Well, Mrs. Murphy wasn't a mentor
and that's when she was important.
Uh is a life mentor,
I suppose, but not so much.
A writing mentor. Accept that.
He taught me a. Finally,
the single most important lesson.
I will learn and that is that.
Good enough isn't.
And I write about this in the book.
The first time I wrote, uh, uh?
I gotta composition that I did not
get an A Plus on was in her class.
I think I gotta be what
you or B plus and. And I.
I was livid. I was like What is this?
You know I I've never gotten less than
an AA plus. In my life, you know,
and she explained to me, um, that.
That my paper would be worthy of that
if I was somebody else in the class.
But she knew that I had, uh.
That I had a greater capacity
than I was showing on my page.
And then if I wanted to
get an A plus from her.
I would have to dig deep and do the
best writing of which I was capable.
And nothing less.
Well. I just didn't know what to do
with that, but it spoke to me and.
And as a result. I have to blame her
when my editors of screaming for me
to let go of the manuscripts and I'm
rewriting something one more time.
It's Miss Waxman's fault.
So with such high standards for yourself.
Um? What advice would you give to kids
who are her writing their own story if
the first draft is not very good, what?
What can I do that or can I get?
Is that an impediment to writing that
you think oh, this isn't good enough?
Or can you separate the writing?
The first draft is never any good,
no matter who writes it.
Um, the real magic happens in revision.
It's always about what happens in
a min when you're rewriting it.
And spending one moments choosing the
right word or working to a metaphor
or simile or discrimination. Uh.
Young. My manuscripts go through.
7 eight draft easily.
I do three or four drops
before I even hand it in.
Into an editor and then
the editor of course.
Give me more notes and then I go
back and do re more revisions.
Anne I tweaking, tweaking, tweaking,
tweaking, and I only know I'm done.
When I'm making changes that
are no longer improvement.
Oh, interesting, so they're just changes,
but they. Are equal.
That's an interesting stopping point.
Yeah. How does reading help you, right?
Oh You have to read reading is so important.
Whatever I give a young writers advice.
The first thing I say is to read, read,
read, and then right right right.
Read across John Rese.
Don't just read the quote the general
you're interested in because each
other has something to teach you.
You can apply is it John?
Would you choose?
And. Your writing is going to
reflect the quality and quantity of
reading that you've done for sure.
The reading is absolutely critical
and you know it's it's going
to go in terms of mentor text,
but also in terms of inspiration.
Yeah, and then right, right?
Right, because writing is a
muscle that has to be exercised.
You only get good at it by doing
it over and over and over again.
And do you still use a Journal?
I've never used a Journal.
I write on a yellow line pad.
I thought the world keeps giving me journals
'cause I assume all writers use this.
I used to keep notes in
a in a spiral notebook.
I still do that from time to time.
I did not ginger.
Do you have any advice for students
trying to find a writing style,
but they must connect with?
Pay attention when they're reading
the things that they resonate with.
Because if they keep resonating
with a particular form of writing,
that's the one that should
explore for themselves.
Poetry sparked me and
so I stayed with poetry.
The other people who were sparked by.
Fantasy and so that's
what they end up writing,
or by non fiction by history.
So that is what they write.
So no pay attention to what
Sparks you as a reader.
How did you know when your
memoir was completed?
Well, in a way I knew that before
I started because I already.
Girls are beginning and end point.
Now of course I tweak that forever.
Once I got to it.
But I did know I already had the framework
of where I was going to go with it.
And is that typical of your other works
too that you know where you already know
the outline of it before you start?
It's it's a little bit different with come.
What is this picture? In that. Me.
There are definitely surprises I will have.
I will have a goal that I'm reaching
for you so that I can have.
Uhm, I need to have a direction.
I need to have a through line in order to.
In order to get some work
done from beginning to end.
I do so with the understanding that
the endings will probably change.
Because in the course of rewrites
I will add in a women secondary
plots and secondary characters
and relationships and things that
weren't there in the first draft,
and that's going to affect.
What happens in the end?
So I always sort of leave that
open in the ending is almost
always a surprise to me.
But in order to get there
to get that complete draft.
I need to have a beginning many middle
and end in mind before I start to write.
That keeps me from being distracted.
Speaking of distracted,
I feel like we live in a world that's
just full of distractions and you
said you write on yellow lined paper.
You also have problems with
discussions of the devices around you.
Or is it? Are you just?
You're writing muscles so strong
that you can tune everything out.
I certainly get distracted
and I have to remember just
to turn off the devices.
Um Ann I protect my writing time.
Much as possible.
And I've learned the
value of writing retreat.
So I usually go on. It's
rewriting retreats every year.
Where I could be in a space where
there absolutely zero distractions?
Nobody calling me know knocks
on the door, whatever.
And that is the distraction.
Just being at home when you work at home,
he suddenly look up and think oh
I need to clean those trains.
Just that piece of furniture over there.
You know you just eyes go everywhere.
Or did I do that?
I need to do laundry, you know?
So when you're away from home,
none of those things are calling on you.
So do you have any advice though?
So if you're at home and you need to write,
you have any advice for getting it.
In the mood or. Sharpening your focus.
Can depends on what I'm working on.
Sometimes if I'm working on.
A poetry and I haven't for awhile.
I might read a little poetry just
to sort of lubricate your mind.
Um?
If it's something it's nonfiction I
might go over. Hum. My research notes.
This sort of get myself back
in into that headspace.
So things like that.
But I'm fairly disciplined soon.
You have to be if you're going to
do this for a living is people ask
me periodically or do you just like
wait for inspiration and I laughed.
I would starve if I waited for inspiration.
The news is very fickle. He doesn't
always show up when I want her to.
Do you talk before you mentioned working
on a simile or metaphor? How do you?
Find something original as a comparison,
how do you stay away from cliches?
I do word play a lot.
I actually have a.
It works out by doing work late,
but I'll take a word.
And I'll go to the dictionary
and I'll see the different
definitions of that word an I will.
Hello I will just play with that.
I will write whatever comes to
mind about that word. I will.
Apply my senses to it and think about.
What that word means,
what it looks like, what it sounds like.
A pretense of color if it has a smell.
What that smell is, uhm?
You know how you use it,
where it's found all those sorts of things.
I just have a word study and.
That always a lot will
always open something up.
The other thing to do is to think
about the subject I'm writing about.
Um? When I was working on.
And easily in The Weavers gift and I
was writing a poem about spinning.
And spinning yarn. I'm sort of stuck.
I didn't know how I wanted to approach it.
They call a friend who was a spinner
and dumb as if I could come over and
I watched her spin for an afternoon.
I watched her said on a hand
spindle and I watched her on.
Did you set out with the wheel going
round and all that and watching her?
It occurs to me that the movement
we might even very much damn.
And so then dance became the
metaphor for that whole.
So I'll just study this subject, whatever
the subject is that I'm writing about,
and invariably I will find the metaphor
within the context of that subject.
Well, I think that all of
my questions right now,
but I think we have come from.
Some of our registration.
Would you mind if we move
down to some of those?
No problem. Uhm, I don't know if
you'll be able to answer this
one off the top of your head,
but what are some of your favorite quotes?
You used a lot of quote. In your bunk.
So I wonder if you can recall some of them.
Not specifically that from the book, but.
Close in around. Favorite quotes.
No. I don't.
Um?
Is it harder to find inspiration now
that you've written so many books or?
Do you still get new inspirations?
No, I get new inspiration,
but in terms of it being hard.
It it will always be hard because
I'm always driving to Maine.
Each new book, better than the last.
No, it's never easy. I have.
Thanks, I understood.
I learn to understand my process
and to trust my process so I don't
spend as much time being overwhelmed.
Uh, when if I'm stuck in a place
I know I'm going to get out of it.
So that's that is easier.
That's different, but the work itself.
Remains hard. It's always hard.
This matter.
This is good as I wanted
to be that's what matters.
Uh, do you have any advice
for an inexperience writer?
Finding that trust in him or herself
to keep going when it gets hard.
Wrong experience writer has their
body of work to look back on.
And it just remember,
you know that last, loved it.
It wasn't. A fairy that came in in
the middle of night and wrote it.
You wrote that.
Ann, you have whatever you
have then you still have that.
You have not lost the Magic.
You know? It's still there though.
Trust your process all about
trusting your process.
And if you get stuck, uhm.
Greenworks inspire you, that's one
reason reading reading is so important.
When you come to those places
where you think I'm you,
know your dry and you just don't
have anything else you ever know.
New ideas whatever, and you made up.
Wonderful piece of literature.
And remember why you
wanted to brighten it up.
And. That opens you up again.
And suddenly, and you don't
have to read a whole book,
usually just read a few passages
and all of a sudden you're
running for your path because the
new idea has just come to you.
Do you have any writing prompt that you
could share with kids to get them started?
Well, the one writing
prompts I do is is word play.
Where? I. I showed them a number of poems
that were written in that way where I took.
One word and sort of studied it. Hum.
And just rolled 5 or 6 lines about that word.
And then from that developed a
poem crafted up on from there.
But a good place to start since you
know yourself better than anyone
is to write home about yourself.
Whether it's about your name or
something like about yourself or
particular memory. Special to you.
Right there.
What advice would you have for
students who feel that their
stories aren't worth telling?
I'm sorry. Why would you have
for a student CPS with their
stories are not worth town?
Everybody stories worth telling.
Everybody stories valuable.
Just as every person is valuable and of work,
and so is your story.
And if you don't write your stories
than a reader is missing out.
Every time you write a story,
you are connecting with some reader
out in the world who needs exactly
what you have to say because they've
had the same experience you have,
and when you write about your experience
and they were able to read it so they
know I'm not all alone in the world.
And that's why you are.
Story is important.
On Don't be stingy, scarier story.
Don't be stingy, I like it.
Well, thank you,
that was been fantastic.
Rhonda, do we have any other?
Questions in the Q&A.
Yeah, we do an. I just wanted to
say that thank you for this from
me too because I thoroughly enjoyed
hearing you talk about your work.
I was blown away when you read from it,
so I am sure that we have similar
responses on the other end of this call.
So thank you so much for sharing
your heart with us through that.
It was really terrible.
Uhm, I was.
I was thoroughly engrossed in your,
um, conversation about the word play,
and I think a lot of our viewers are too.
In fact, we did have one person ask
what is the workshop that you do?
Is it an online workshop or do you just
mean you workshop with the word play?
And yes, is something that I workshop.
As usual, when I open a workshop
with because it's a great exercise.
You thought I was a loosen things
up and and relax people and.
How to get him in a groove too, right?
Suzzan sort of touched on this too,
but one of the other questions was
about when it finding it easier to
write about sunny or adventurous kind.
But when it comes to actually writing
about the painful parts is when
it becomes harder for a writer.
Do you have any suggestions for how to get
comfortable with the uncomfortable there?
That's one of the great things about poetry.
If you have metaphor, you have
symbol you have so many ways.
Talk about painful or difficult subjects.
In ways that are. Maybe maybe a
little more subtle, less graphic.
But it's still. Communicate
what you want to say.
Well, go for it. I was going for it.
Right, true.
Well like you said, with some you know,
students who don't feel like their
stories are worth telling and you just
encourage him to tell it and own it.
'cause everyone story is so
important and I think that's the
same with those people moments.
And the power that comes from releasing him.
One of the other questions is
about what would you say is the
importance of teams telling their
stories through a college essay
when applying for college there
in the process of helping students
prepare to write authentically and.
And that was one of the
questions that came up.
Writing for college that's
a little bit different.
I would definitely say be honest,
uhm, but you might be a little more.
I don't know. I would certainly
hold things back if I were writing
A and an essay for college entrance
wouldn't necessarily be as.
As Open Door Unvarnished Uh.
As I would writing a story.
But a degree of honesty is certainly.
Important, and whoever is
reading it is going to resonate.
With what is true, they can tell
when you're shining them on or your.
If you're creating a story
that really is not your story.
Well, for for certain uhm.
And after ball of wax.
Yeah, that's that's a trickier.
How did you choose which parts of your
life you would focus this memoir on?
You touched on it a little bit that
you it was certain years and you want
to have a beginning, middle and end.
Was there a way that you?
So how did you come to this
point in your life?
To be what you wanted your memoir about?
Well, memory can be so many things
it could be a memoir about a life.
It could be a memoir place.
Uh, it could be a memoir about a specific
period in your life with specific, um.
Read that you want to follow so you do have
to decide early on because life is big.
You can include everything,
but what are you going to include?
But I knew that I wanted to focus on.
How I developed my voice is writer.
What things happen in my life that
impacted who I am as a writer?
Uh, and focus on that period of time when I.
When I first owned myself completely as a
writer knew that that that was who I was.
That was my clear identity.
I was able to step out into the
world with the knowledge of that.
And that capital point for
me after when I was 16.
Now initially I was just going to write
about the 16 year and I thought about
it is the 60s here and then I realized.
That you would make no sense without
knowing all that came before.
Not realize OK, I have to tell our story.
#216 that was my framework.
And the point at which I.
Identify myself as a writer
knew that's who I was.
Anne left home to pursue that.
Because I understood that I could no longer,
I was not able to block them.
Where I had been planted.
I needed to go elsewhere.
Beautiful. Do you you mentioned
that you attend writing workshops
yourself an did you say that you also
conduct workshops 'cause There's some
interest in knowing if you yourself?
'cause I rarely do.
Oh OK, I misunderstood,
but I teach them.
How would people learn about the workshops
that you teach or when they're offered?
I offered them in connection
with school visits,
but it's not something I yeah,
I think I I have done a couple of uhm.
Novel novel inverse intensives.
It's rare though I don't.
I don't do that very often.
But if I'm offering one,
I would you know advertise
it on social media. OK,
good to know we get more
followers then they can.
Keep an eye on that.
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No.
I can't think of anything extra,
just read, read, read.
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